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Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:50 pm

Title.
Who wins~?
Trying to stray away from these comics vs novel debates.
Starting distance 20 meters
SOM:IC
BF:NYC


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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Akronawol17 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:15 pm

Please start adding rules and conditions for your matches. This is a rule i didn't really enforce at first, but i need to be more strict due to recent events.

Pictures are optional, but please add things like mindset, starting distance and battlefield. It makes the battles not only seem more thought-out, but adds more to work with for a debate.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:23 pm

Sorry bout that^~^
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by ChaosKnight75 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:23 pm

Johnny gets blitzed. Nothing the entire DBZ verse can do against Valentine w/ Love Train though


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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:25 pm

Can we really claim blitz I mean what if Johnny gets his shot off first.
And IC they might feel bad for him cause he's in a wheelchair.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by ChaosKnight75 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:46 pm

Yup, Goku has gone for non-lethal blitzes and KOs. Vegeta will definitely do the same. Still Love Train solos. Not a thing they can do and any kind of damage that occurs becomes lethal via its ability to move it to something vital
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:45 pm

Pretty much lol
Funny scratches their arm and it goes to their heart lol
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Omnivortex on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:09 pm

Problem is despite their hax, they are too slow for Team Z, so before they even use it, they would get speedblitz and I doubt they can tank their Ki blast
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by EVA_01 on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:35 pm

Omnivortex wrote:Problem is despite their hax, they are too slow for Team Z, so before they even use it, they would get speedblitz and I doubt they can tank their Ki blast

Are you familiar with these characters? It;s true Johnny gets blitzed but if he gets the chance to pull of an attack with Tusk ACT 4 he pretty much solos.
Love Train creates a space around the user that reflects away all misfortune, it's ability is automatically activated the moment the user acquires it, no one in DBZ can even touch him.
D4C's ability is to allow the user to summon temporal clones of the user inconsequentially, and hop to different dimensions like that *snap*, which would recover the user of all injuries. Also, and this is why the stand is so broken, if it drags an alternate version of its enemy from another dimension into the one they're fighting in, both the enemy and their clone are erased from existence. That's because of a principle in JJBA that two of the same being cannot exist in the same dimension, and only Valentine, the user of both Love Train and D4C, can bypass that law.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Kurohige on Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:32 pm

Love Train directs misfortune anywhere on Earth, DBZ is full of casual planet level opponents, a normal ki blast would be sent away from Johnny and Valentine, sure, but the moment the blast explodes they duo get caught back up in the explosion. Anyone who is planet level should be able to bypass Love train. Love drain doe snot work in tandem with D4C, so the misfortune is not sent to another dimension but rather a random spot on Earth. D4C's dimension hop would work however that is assuming he does not get blown apart beforehand which is very unlikely. Johnny needs to build momentum to use Act 4, he wont have enough time to run aorund on his horse before getting demolished. Most fights in Jojo come from calculating a plan and outsmarting the enemy, they rarely have straight up duels and beat the opponent on pure strength.

In an actual confrontation Valentine and Johnny would devise a plan, I could see Valentine pleading with Goku long enough to pull out a another version of him to take him out, I can't say the same for Broly. Johnny would have to stay out of sight long enough to form an ambush and land Act 4, even then it would only hit one of them.

Since Love Train has nver displayed anything above planet level redirection, and Johnny is way too slow to get off Act 4, I say Brolly solos with a normal energy blast.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:43 pm

Kuro gonna disagree for several reasons.
First off blowing up the planet?
Why planet bust if you can redirect misfortune if they throw a planet buster another planet will explode its that simple. Its a phenomenon it will blow it up.
And Johnny no longer needs to build momentum to have act 4 he was using it once his horse was gone so that's a moot point. It redirects misfortune the only thing that stopped it was Johnny's Tusk Act 4.
Which is infinite meaning it attacked all dimensions at once so D4C had nowhere to go.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Omnivortex on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:04 pm

Ki can negate hax , and I feel most people don't know this :


Another example would be janmeba who could seal power and warp hell ,create clones of him and Goku, had space manipulation on a universal range/scale (that's how big is the other world) ,yet could do nothing of that because of Gogeta's Ki and speed.

So I feel Goku can resist their reality warping if his Ki is high enough. Also he could speedblitz even before they process to do anything, Goku is much faster than light in combat.

But it could go either way tbh, since it also depends if Goku and Co.'s Ki can negate such powerful hax. And if they fool around and let them use their abilities before they fight seriously.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Kurohige on Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:45 am

Gio Gio wrote:Kuro gonna disagree for several reasons.
First off blowing up the planet?
Why planet bust if you can redirect misfortune if they throw a planet buster another planet will explode its that simple. Its a phenomenon it will blow it up.
And Johnny no longer needs to build momentum to have act 4 he was using it once his horse was gone so that's a moot point. It redirects misfortune the only thing that stopped it was Johnny's Tusk Act 4.
Which is infinite meaning it attacked all dimensions at once so D4C had nowhere to go.
Love Train misdirects misfortune across the globe, Valaneitne himself even stated this, another planet wont explode it's beyond Love Train's range. Johnny is still far too slow, his reaction/combat speed may be faster but Goku and broly still fly circles around him. Again, they get casually destroyed, it's NLF to say Love Train can re-direct their attack to another planet, all that would happen is that the intiial attack would go to some random part in the world, then explode, even if we did agree to the NLF and say it did work, Valaneinte could be fine but the planet would not, Valentine would be left in space. Also Valentine needs to actualy leave Love Train to attack, the moment he steps out he gets blasted, not that it matters since it only works on a global scale and Broly nor Goku should have any problem with this.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by SpeedForceSpider on Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:36 am

The only way of victory is if Funny can bring another version of them on time. Other than that, speed blitzed.
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Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:57 am

You aren't speedblitzing love train lol
And you seem to forget that DBZ characters can't see stands and also the fact that a scratch on the arm can=A scratch to the heart.
When it redirects misfortune it can also redirect attacks and again.
Infinite rotation that attacks all dimensions>Planet busting.
And you'd need to show that Love Train has a range which it doesn't. And its not NLF that's literally what it does its a phenomenon.
And if it redirects the planet will be fine like I said what it took to take him out was an infinite rotation.
And you seem to be under the impression that Goku vegeta or broly would be blowing up the planet.
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Post by wind master on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:12 am

love train gets them the victory
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Omnivortex on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:15 am

Gio Gio wrote:You aren't speedblitzing love train lol
And you seem to forget that DBZ characters can't see stands and also the fact that a scratch on the arm can=A scratch to the heart.
When it redirects misfortune it can also redirect attacks and again.
Infinite rotation that attacks all dimensions>Planet busting.
And you'd need to show that Love Train has a range which it doesn't. And its not NLF that's literally what it does its a phenomenon.
And if it redirects the planet will be fine like I said what it took to take him out was an infinite rotation.
And you seem to be under the impression that Goku vegeta or broly would be blowing up the planet.
that seriously seems like NLF tbh. And like he could ever scratch Goku or Broly. We both know that ain't happening .
Unless love train is MFTL , I doubt he can even react with his hax to Z team. And assuming his hax will work with them is a NLF since Z fighters have shown resistance to reality warping /Hax. See video above


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Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:16 am

>NLF

But its not NLF to claim they'd just blow up the planet and just be able to hit through love train cause they have so many dimensional attacks?
Yeah.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Omnivortex on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:20 am

Gio Gio wrote:>NLF

But its not NLF to claim they'd just blow up the planet and just be able to hit through love train cause they have so many dimensional attacks?
Yeah.
"Blows unfortunate things away to other places on the earth" clearly is limited and only has planetary range. Also there is no proof that Goku and Broly will be affected by that hax/space manipulation. Also he still can't keep up with their massive superior speed
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Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:24 am

So do you have them resisting such hax or manipulation or are you just saying that they will and leave it be even though such a thing hasn't been stated?
And its still a phenomenon other dimensions exist and whatnot also Funny V can hop into limitless dimensions So a planet could blow up you're right but in another dimension right?
And again i'll wait on hax resistance from Goku or broly.
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Post by Akronawol17 on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:25 am

Unless said character has shown resistance to said hax abilities, or similar abilities, they are for all intents and purposes vulnerable to that hax.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:26 am

Akronawol17 wrote:Unless said character has shown resistance to said hax abilities, or similar abilities, they are for all intents and purposes vulnerable to that hax.
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Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:26 am

Also if you wish to get technical when it blows misfortune away it can also hit another person.
So that powerful blast from Goku can end up hitting Vegeta you know.
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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Omnivortex on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:29 am

Gio Gio wrote:Also if you wish to get technical when it blows misfortune away it can also hit another person.
So that powerful blast from Goku can end up hitting Vegeta you know.
Before we continue ,please watch the video above

EDIT: The video of the first page,my bad, you asked about Hax resistance ? Watch that video


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Re: Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Post by Gio Gio on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:31 am

I saw the video.
Now tell me can they resist getting paradoxed from existence or getting past a defense like Love train.
Again i'll wait.
What that video showed didn't prove anything.
Now you're heading into NLF territory don't say JJBA can't use NLF but you go on and use it with DBZ.
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